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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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rolling down the ever knew me and my

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shadow nada so to tell our troubles to

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Tim why are you thinking of something

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why are you singing a song about shadows

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can't you see they're all around us with

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their tall hats and long hands they're

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creeping and crawling and coming towards

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us okay well I thought you were going a

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bit deaf there but but yeah all right I

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see what you mean

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I guess you thought your singing would

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would keep them away I know it's doing a

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number for me well maybe we should get

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back to the case er our radio station

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where it's bound to be safe

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ah you're right Tina could always hit

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him with one of her 10 pound bowling

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balls no no come to think of it oh no

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come to think of us they wouldn't work

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their shadows and they would be immune

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me and my shadow are you still there

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shadows got you yeah the question is are

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you all still there that's yeah well

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after that I think we lost both our

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guests so they'll be well in fact it may

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have been hey I've been doing all right

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I know that that you said you may be a

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little bit under the weather but our our

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whole state has been under the weather

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in this past week I think we've got more

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rain this this past week and we have the

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last two months well we had the great

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you know I remember and one of my books

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years ago I was psychic in UFO

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revelations and yeah yesterday in the

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last days we talked about New York City

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being under water well New York City

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seems to be pretty immune but boy you go

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to the suburbs and some of these sounds

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I mean they were really they were really

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submerged and usually outside of a few

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towns like bound bound brook now I ask

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you why would you move to a town like

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New Jersey and not expect that every

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once in a while you're going to get

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flooded out must be the founding fathers

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it's a pretty bad flooding and of course

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we're we're well above ground here in

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our skyscrapers at house yeah yeah yeah

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I mean you're about but 20 30 stories up

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aren't you Oh Oh at least at least yes

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minutes for the elevator to get up there

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and I and I had a and I had a walk this

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week because the other was oh I'm sorry

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to hear that

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yes yes and I was carrying up all the

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all the real the real tapes from the old

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exploring a bizarre show so you could

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imagine that kind of held me down yeah

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we get that he believes there's nobody

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believes that I gotta get those

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converted to a digital format well I'll

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be sending them to you still well Tim

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we're we're really lucky tonight because

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we have two fantastic guests and it's

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beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're

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that they're excellent guests that's

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going to be a wonderful show well first

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off we have Heidi Hollis how Heidi is a

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an old friend of both of ours and I

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and exploring the bazaar so I'm really

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happy that she could be with us here

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tonight so now no author can say that

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they've named and defined two paranormal

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realities like Heidi Hollis a Heidi is a

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as someone who has been there seen that

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experience that freaked out found some

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answers wrote about it got over it and

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now helps others do the same

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to understand this strange world of art

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now she is the world's foremost expert

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on shadow people and the hat man

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phenomena and actually gave them both

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their descriptive names and her

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best-selling books the secret war a true

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story about a real alien war and shadow

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people and the hat man the true story of

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evil encounters now she's collected

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thousands of reports of these beans from

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all around the globe along with various

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other mysterious experiences trust to

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share with her seeking her direct advice

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now her other acclaimed books and wide

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range of knowledge of mysteries expanded

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to cryptozoology ghosts poltergeists

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ancient mystery spiritual warfare and

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gellick encounters psychic phenomena

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possession and it just it just goes on

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and on now her newest book is a picture

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book for all ages I see shadow people

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and the hat man detailing on how to stop

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shadow people and hat man encounters

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with a sense of humor in colorful comic

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for all ages to enjoy now Holly is also

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a lively radio talk show host of the

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Heidi Hollis the Outlander show on L and

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is this here and she's also a cartoonist

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oh yes I have to remember she's got just

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this absolutely fantastic cartoon called

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the the Outlanders which you know just

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google it you can find it I love the

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Outlanders and anybody who reads I think

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though they'll love it too so it's it's

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great to have Holly with us tonight now

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also with us Tim is

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Nicolle Canfield Nicole is another this

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is her first time on exploring the

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not be her last time a Nicole the

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otherworldly Oracle has been studying

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the paranormal her whole life and

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writing about it for eight years her

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main topic includes ghosts demons

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in historic Southern Maryland where she

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encountered ghosts and elementals on a

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regular basis her ghostly experiences

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have fueled her passion for seeking the

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supernatural and finding answers to some

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of life's plaguing questions and she has

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assisted hundreds of people in

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eradicating unwanted spirits as well as

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well in their spiritual pursuits

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believing the paranormal in mystical

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realms are one of the same and Nicole

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rights of both openly to encourage

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others Nicole is registered nurse

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an author of fantasy novels her recent

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fictional works include the dream canvas

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and the cotton family series available

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on Amazon so Nicole Holly thank you very

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much for being Heidi I mean thank you

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for being with us tonight or and

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exploring the bizarre thank you

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say something here a disclosure a bit my

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shadow people well in fact it Heidi I

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room and from there she and her recliner

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reflection or maybe the shadow I

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something that it just could take your

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solid black but you could literally

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done and shoved his hat in his face and

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threw him to the ground but anyways it's

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just it's crazy I'm never that was just

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that a little bit but so

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eyes and just a sinister presence and he

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tall even bigger sometimes yeah but your

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that always the the same no it changes

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I've heard everything from a cowboy hat

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yeah is that funny - a little Derby cap

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hat or Freddy Krueger looking hat and

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cape so he changes it up sometimes

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his pants so yeah interesting combos

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that he uses but sounds like that sounds

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like Uncle Sam yeah honestly it's it's

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the tax collector run and hide for sure

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yeah yeah but the the practices of

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shadow beings in hat man are quite

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similar they both pounce on people's

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chests and choke them out and paralyzes

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them and but shadow beings they might

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do the same but he he speaks he can

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speak straight out to you and it's

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something you'll never forget it's the

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most deep guttural voice you'd ever

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heard and quite threatening very

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threatening well what what is he what

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well the number one thing that he loves

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reach into your chest and pull your soul

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right out of your body oh and I thought

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we just said a a book recently called

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screwed by the aliens where aliens are

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hopping around you know a midnight

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invaders and stuff like that and I

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thought that was bad but I don't know I

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don't think I want a one of these shadow

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where people are hat men come in my bed

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and stealing stealing my soul though

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some people might say they sold it a

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long time ago but I'm searching for it

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I'm looking for Tim have you ever had

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encounters or heard of encounters with

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the shadow people oh whoa I mean

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naturally I've you know I mean what what

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out there Tim haven't haven't I heard

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about and written about but you know it

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was interesting though that you know

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Holly you talked about the the the

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spider shadows and things like that

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because I I went through a period when I

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was when I was a teenager where I was

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having and you know I died you know it

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could have just been do what is they the

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hypnagogic hypnagogic types of

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situations where I would see spiders in

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my room but they they weren't just like

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you know little spiders they were like

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you know very you know huge Bert I

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Gordon types of giant spiders running up

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the curtains coming up coming up over

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the edge of my bed I ran through those a

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couple of times when I hadn't slept for

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about three days which you know kind of

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brings us to the to the point our

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hallucinations really hallucinations or

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are we peering into the some other

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domain course spiders have always kind

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of been freaked people out I mean I've

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had two friends of mine who would see a

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a spider and they would they would

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become paralyzed there

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a gal who was a UFO abductees now she

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could go into outer space with the

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Venetians or something but if she saw a

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spider on the wall here she would freeze

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until I took a broom and knocked it down

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we're not talking about it we're not

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talking about a tarantula we're talking

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about a little spider I mean yeah to be

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nothing like that kind of freaks me out

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I wouldn't say and Alice Cooper of

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course including spider Acton and in

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spiders I guess or something that a lot

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of people so now do you think that the

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these beings are they out to frighten us

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or would they like to have some sort of

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a dialogue with us I mean just because

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they're their shadows and guys with 12

331
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hats I mean they could have different

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agendas just like the ultra terrestrials

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though these these guys the shadow

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beings themselves they take their orders

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from the hat man so you may see them

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side by side and also in conjunction

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with so-called alien beings to the greys

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the reptilians they may they get seen

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right alongside of these shadow beings

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as well so their ultimate goal is to

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feed off your negative energy I mean

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they really they really do try to get

343
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you get the juices going in you to scare

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you to death and and take it from you

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hat man he is he's looking for dedicated

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workers he's looking for allies if I saw

347
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a guy with a hat in his hand around this

348
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neighborhood I think in looking for a

349
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handout no I think you'd be surprised

350
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some of the stories that have come

351
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across it's really horrific stuff and

352
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it's in the thousands I mean terrible

353
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well how do people do most people find

354
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you that have a story of this type of

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through show or I guess you've written a

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number of books on the topic now yeah um

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through my show or when they go to

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Google or even Wikipedia there's

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mentioning of my work and I still get

360
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almost on a weekly basis somebody saying

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wow I thought I was the only one

362
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and it doesn't matter doctors lawyers

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businessmen they're all writing I kind

364
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of email from Transylvania the other

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daling hold on it's like my goodness you

366
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have necer rot oh yeah yeah no limit it

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blows my mind the people that reach out

368
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and are just like wow thank you for

369
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putting this out there it's like it's

370
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it's been uh it's been a wild ride it's

371
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it's been some time - I first um wrote

372
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my book in 97 and and it started to get

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circulated among other authors and and

374
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whatnot in hopes of getting it published

375
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and and then finally got it out in 2001

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so it's it's been some time and lots of

377
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people just pouring I thought I was the

378
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only one at the time when I wrote it

379
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hmm boy it's never slowed down I tell ya

380
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the influx of emails it's been crazy

381
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it's funny when um you know you

382
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experienced something so profound and

383
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then you uh all of a sudden you you

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start doing some research and you

385
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realize that it's not just you it's like

386
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thousands upon thousands of other people

387
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that are experiencing the same thing

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it's pretty wild

389
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ya know it's Lord so this is a phenomena

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that is universal basically I mean it it

391
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crosses all cultures and you know

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societies and people are reporting

393
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basically the same thing from all over

394
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the world they really are and they

395
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called it different things all over the

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world - so there's a certain belief

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system behind it the Native Americans

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call them walking Sam and just all sorts

399
00:20:13,910 --> 00:20:06,450
of odd nicknames for this guy walking

400
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Sam if I am I am that's interesting and

401
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:15,630
then people have little nicknames for

402
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the thing that they experience as well

403
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:20,990
so it's uh yeah it's been a fascinating

404
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subject it just making my parents proud

405
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you know

406
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naming demon all right so okay you

407
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talked about the the Hat man now has

408
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anybody ever reported a hat woman a

409
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:44,070
couple of people say something about

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that and it's usually this old hag short

411
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little wretched looking thing that done

412
00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:53,910
that's been involved in I mean he

413
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directs them all there's a Grim Reaper

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looking thing the shadow beings and the

415
00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:02,880
old hag the hat man will literally point

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at them and tell them to go over there

417
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and mess with a person laying in the bed

418
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and they're just paralyzed going oh my

419
00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:11,130
god don't send that wretched looking

420
00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:15,420
woman my way so yeah so there's but she

421
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:19,400
doesn't wear a hat a hood perhaps but I

422
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:22,140
just I just encountered her recently

423
00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:26,490
actually oh did you yeah yeah um

424
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probably about six months ago

425
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I've only been I've had sleep paralysis

426
00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,360
a few times in my life but a few months

427
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:35,880
back is when I woke up or I thought I

428
00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:39,930
woke up and I couldn't move and there

429
00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:41,790
was an old woman in the room and she

430
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:45,300
jumped on me and I just remember

431
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,980
screaming or trying to scream and not

432
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:48,780
being able to and finally broke loose

433
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:53,760
and woke up fully and was like oh look

434
00:22:01,580 --> 00:21:57,810
like it's hard to explain like I don't

435
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,590
remember a full appearance I just knew

436
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,080
that she was old and raggedy you know

437
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:06,240
kind of how you described her was she

438
00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:10,740
really tiny or what yes small yeah yeah

439
00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:13,140
that's that's her yeah it's just a nasty

440
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:14,700
looking thing like you wouldn't want to

441
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:17,370
touch with a stick exactly yep

442
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:19,980
yeah I mean the the old hag phenomena I

443
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:21,000
mean that's been written about

444
00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:23,700
extensively and I mean and we're not

445
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:25,350
just talking about something recent

446
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,330
either I mean there are accounts that go

447
00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:30,240
back hundreds of years yeah about the

448
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:37,140
old hag yeah yeah yeah wide and and how

449
00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:41,490
do you say that the the Hat man is the

450
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:44,190
he's the ringleader he is the one

451
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:47,370
or it whatever yeah he's the one that

452
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:50,820
controls it all he's the one that really

453
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:54,510
kind of directs and points and is in

454
00:22:59,410 --> 00:22:56,250
charge of it all yeah and I've had

455
00:23:02,270 --> 00:22:59,420
reports come in where they people see

456
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,280
dozens of shadow beings in the room and

457
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:05,100
one hat man one hat man right in the

458
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:07,620
middle of it all and it's like wow so

459
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:11,010
it's uh yeah pretty pretty disgusting

460
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:12,510
stuff I I know that you're going to go

461
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:14,010
to break here soon but there's a lot

462
00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:16,310
more detail to what he does to people

463
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,630
well we want to hear we want to hear

464
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:20,700
about that and we also want to hear

465
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:24,030
about how to defend ourselves yes

466
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:27,090
that's a big deal yeah we've got booth

467
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:30,150
at less less than a minute to go before

468
00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:37,380
we have to go to our well when we come

469
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:39,390
back we'll bring yeah I mean you know

470
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:40,890
Nicole's already come in but we'll find

471
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:42,300
out a little bit more about our other

472
00:23:45,170 --> 00:23:42,750
guests

473
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:45,180
Nicole Canfield you know when we come

474
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:50,850
back and so everyone just needs to hang

475
00:24:05,540 --> 00:23:54,710
on the edge of their seats because oh

476
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:05,550
hang on to me taking my jokes now back

477
00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:09,000
to exploring the bazaars with two of the

478
00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:11,040
most electrifying researchers in the

479
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paranoid

480
00:24:20,629 --> 00:24:15,359
your hosts Timothy Becca Lee hunting

481
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:20,639
sports man welcome back to exploring the

482
00:24:26,749 --> 00:24:23,940
bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz and tonight we

483
00:24:29,479 --> 00:24:26,759
are talking with Heidi Hollis and Nicole

484
00:24:33,859 --> 00:24:29,489
Canfield and Nicole let's bring you up

485
00:24:35,779 --> 00:24:33,869
to the mic now in your biography you

486
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:35,789
were talking about that you grew up in

487
00:24:41,389 --> 00:24:38,850
an old haunted house in Maryland and why

488
00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:41,399
don't you tell us about that oh my

489
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:43,859
goodness okay

490
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:48,450
so where I grew up is situated on some

491
00:24:58,849 --> 00:24:53,820
farmland and the backyard a little ways

492
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,859
out there's an was an old train track so

493
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:00,720
they've since converted the train track

494
00:25:05,389 --> 00:25:03,450
into like an actual county trail there

495
00:25:08,389 --> 00:25:05,399
that people you know ride their bikes

496
00:25:10,749 --> 00:25:08,399
and you know even the Amish will drive

497
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:10,759
their buggies up and down the trail but

498
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:14,129
anyway I think the fact that the house

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00:25:19,609 --> 00:25:17,220
was over 100 years old

500
00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:19,619
you know it's seen its share of people

501
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,590
living and passing away there that

502
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:24,539
coupled with the fact that there was a

503
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,840
train track behind the house that dates

504
00:25:32,869 --> 00:25:30,059
back to the late 1800s so there was a

505
00:25:36,229 --> 00:25:32,879
lot of traffic going all through that

506
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,239
area I think those two dynamics kind of

507
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,940
mixed and I wouldn't say it was like a

508
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,320
portal or anything but there was

509
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:42,419
definitely a lot of activity

510
00:25:50,899 --> 00:25:45,450
growing up there for sure yeah well I

511
00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:50,909
mean were you seen apparitions yeah well

512
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:52,979
I wouldn't say that I ever saw an

513
00:25:58,609 --> 00:25:55,559
apparition it was more or less hearing a

514
00:26:00,589 --> 00:25:58,619
lot of weird things we would take

515
00:26:02,539 --> 00:26:00,599
pictures and sometimes there would be

516
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:02,549
apparitions in the pictures and we would

517
00:26:07,009 --> 00:26:05,190
be like where did that come from what is

518
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:07,019
that you know there's this picture of me

519
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:09,059
that my mom actually just asked me for

520
00:26:13,009 --> 00:26:11,070
it again the other day but I was really

521
00:26:15,859 --> 00:26:13,019
sick and I was like 16 and I'm standing

522
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:15,869
in the living room and you know someone

523
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:17,190
snapped a picture of me for whatever

524
00:26:21,619 --> 00:26:18,539
reason because I looked terrible in the

525
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:21,629
picture but um beside me looking out the

526
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:24,230
window is the silhouette of a little boy

527
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,680
and you can

528
00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:28,320
see his hair his collar of his jacket

529
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,680
that he's wearing his ear and everything

530
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,140
and come to find out I guess a little

531
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:37,200
boy had passed away in the house you

532
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:41,700
know many years before so another

533
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:44,310
related incident to that is when I first

534
00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:46,890
moved I was the only bedroom on the

535
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:48,420
first level and when I first moved down

536
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:50,730
there from the top level from the second

537
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:53,390
level the first night I was hearing like

538
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:56,250
toys like a child playing like out in

539
00:27:00,860 --> 00:26:58,890
the living room and I think I just

540
00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:00,870
remember shutting my door and going okay

541
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:02,820
I must be just imagining this you know

542
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:05,880
but I was hearing like that kind of like

543
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:07,350
that old-school like Bell like on a

544
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:10,170
tricycle like a bring-bring you know I

545
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,790
was hearing that out in the living room

546
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:13,860
and needless to say I was pretty freaked

547
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:16,590
out but uh all those things together we

548
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:17,850
were pretty sure that there is a little

549
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:26,690
yeah I think I'd want to move back

550
00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:31,200
upstairs again after it's like you know

551
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:34,800
you kind of Malev a long side of them

552
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:36,510
eventually I mean there's some times

553
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:38,370
where you know I'd be walking up the

554
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:40,140
steps and my mom describes us a lot

555
00:27:43,670 --> 00:27:41,490
because she still lives there but it's

556
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:43,680
like you feel something behind you and

557
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:45,750
you just want to shoot up the steps and

558
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,090
run away screaming you know like there's

559
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,220
someone right behind you about to grab

560
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:52,260
you or chase you you know it's it's a

561
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:54,360
creepy feeling but otherwise you know it

562
00:28:09,830 --> 00:27:58,440
can be fairly peaceful sounds like Brett

563
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:09,840
Kavanaugh I'm just kidding or drink you

564
00:28:19,910 --> 00:28:11,930
under the table

565
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:19,920
strong drinker so okay now you also said

566
00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:22,770
in your biography that you had

567
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:25,920
experience there with with elementals

568
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:28,890
yeah okay so know what's difference

569
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:30,870
between say like you know ghosts spirits

570
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,260
and an elemental to me from what I

571
00:28:39,139 --> 00:28:36,120
understand and my experience in

572
00:28:43,399 --> 00:28:39,149
elemental is a spirit that

573
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:43,409
is just a nature spirit basically

574
00:28:48,379 --> 00:28:45,929
whether it's the spirit of a tree or or

575
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:48,389
the land that you're on or maybe like a

576
00:28:54,229 --> 00:28:50,669
guardian spirit of the of the land that

577
00:28:58,729 --> 00:28:54,239
you're on that's what an elemental is to

578
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,739
me so we have a lot of trees out back

579
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:00,779
and then we had some oak trees

580
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:03,570
surrounding the house and on different

581
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,200
occasions it's like people that have

582
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:09,179
been to the house and stand outside can

583
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:11,929
see my mom it describes it as like a

584
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:15,089
like a quick white mist that flies by

585
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:17,399
real quick and multiple people have seen

586
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:17,609
it

587
00:29:25,879 --> 00:29:21,899
at the same time usually darting like

588
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:25,889
between from one tree to another and we

589
00:29:31,129 --> 00:29:28,169
had a woman that we knew back in the day

590
00:29:32,719 --> 00:29:31,139
who was kind of psychic you know she's a

591
00:29:35,419 --> 00:29:32,729
little clairvoyant and she pointed out

592
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:35,429
the fact that one of the trees had what

593
00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:37,559
she thought looked like fairies or what

594
00:29:41,539 --> 00:29:39,269
I would consider elementals kind of

595
00:29:45,229 --> 00:29:41,549
dancing from from branch to branch on it

596
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:45,239
so yeah pretty interesting place to grow

597
00:29:53,239 --> 00:29:49,080
up and we just the show that we had on

598
00:29:56,089 --> 00:29:53,249
last week entirely dealt with you know

599
00:29:59,869 --> 00:29:56,099
fairies and changelings and and I was

600
00:30:04,940 --> 00:29:59,879
like that we had susan Demeter's Saint

601
00:30:08,019 --> 00:30:04,950
Claire she she was telling us that she

602
00:30:10,879 --> 00:30:08,029
had been approached by this woman who

603
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:10,889
just had recently moved to Canada from

604
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:13,580
Colombia that the country Colombia and

605
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:18,089
was seen seen fairies at a at a nearby

606
00:30:24,139 --> 00:30:21,330
park and you know that this was not

607
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,149
something that was you know part of her

608
00:30:28,729 --> 00:30:26,399
experience and she was kind of wondering

609
00:30:32,989 --> 00:30:28,739
if this was you know okay does everybody

610
00:30:35,329 --> 00:30:32,999
see these things in camera yeah she was

611
00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:35,339
kind of surprised you know and you know

612
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,379
Susan told her is like nope nope you

613
00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:39,960
know you're this is not something that

614
00:30:47,089 --> 00:30:43,019
everybody around around here sees well

615
00:30:50,329 --> 00:30:47,099
you know I have to ask why why are why

616
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:50,339
do certain people attract anything from

617
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,070
hatman to shadow people to to fairies

618
00:31:01,570 --> 00:30:54,720
and others can go through their whole

619
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:08,120
who's that for me yeah Heidi you take it

620
00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:12,060
further I I think that some people are

621
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:14,190
just more sensitive to seeing these

622
00:31:18,530 --> 00:31:16,200
things and feeling these things and and

623
00:31:20,390 --> 00:31:18,540
it's been my experience personally that

624
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:20,400
if one thing sees you could see them

625
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,870
it's like they call their friends over

626
00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:23,940
or something it's like you know hey

627
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:26,550
Heidi could spot us and you know I think

628
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:29,250
I experienced an elemental of some sort

629
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:33,150
- I just I have seen ghosts I have seen

630
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:36,900
demons I've seen little people I don't

631
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:39,690
know better and I've had Jesus encounter

632
00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:46,560
it's like what on earth yeah you

633
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:51,390
disappointment what do you mean I don't

634
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:52,410
know I just

635
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,170
what why would Jesus want to hang out

636
00:32:00,020 --> 00:31:58,380
with these other yeah I don't know does

637
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:00,030
he have a different does he have a

638
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:08,510
you say them a portal I would assume

639
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:09,960
they're all coming through the same oh

640
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:13,050
no oh no no it wasn't like he was

641
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,520
hanging out with them no no it was a

642
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:17,340
totally unexpected totally very

643
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:19,080
different experience than from anything

644
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,670
I'd ever experienced before it was in

645
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:23,520
fact I was such a skeptic of those who

646
00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:25,620
claim to have had Jesus encounters I

647
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:29,190
wrote it in my first I guess I am Julia

648
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:30,990
I was a huge skeptic I put it in the

649
00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:33,090
first book I bashed the heck out of it

650
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:34,680
like what is he in your bowl of soup -

651
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:37,410
you know it was I was just really really

652
00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:41,420
hard on it and I had to eat those words

653
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:44,430
write that chapter and explain myself

654
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:47,370
because I just figured you know I had

655
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:48,810
seen so many odd things in my lifetime

656
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:50,940
that if Jesus were around I think it

657
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,990
would have seen him by now and I

658
00:32:57,890 --> 00:32:54,000
literally put that in the book I was

659
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,900
really really skeptical I and I would

660
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,460
always tell my friends who would go to

661
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,960
church I'm like say a prayer for me I

662
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:02,760
probably start on fire if I step foot in

663
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:05,010
there you know it's just just for just

664
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:06,840
for fun you know but

665
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:08,190
I would have never anticipated to have

666
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:10,740
had the encounters that I did I had a

667
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:13,410
handful of them and just changed

668
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:15,540
everything and yeah but totally

669
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:17,550
different but I just think that people

670
00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:19,110
some people are more sensitive than

671
00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:21,900
others and not not that they're special

672
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:24,150
or anything I think that everybody has

673
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:26,070
opportunity to see these things but I

674
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,140
think we're too busy we're not paying

675
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:30,120
attention or my favorite is from the

676
00:33:34,010 --> 00:33:32,670
emails I get is um I think my eyes were

677
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:34,020
playing tricks on me I'm like hold on

678
00:33:37,550 --> 00:33:35,310
those are the same eyes it gets you to

679
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,560
him from work every day what you know

680
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:39,240
suddenly they're just not trustworthy

681
00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:41,430
they're tricky I'm like come on now

682
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,500
I think people doubt themselves way too

683
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:45,960
much and I always get like first or

684
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:48,510
second line so I wasn't drinking and I

685
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:51,150
am that I'm not on drugs but I saw they

686
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:53,490
doubt themselves and they take years to

687
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:55,770
talk about it and I'm like you know I

688
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:57,450
think there's a lot more going on at

689
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,740
people are experiencing they just don't

690
00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:01,500
give themselves credit for oh well let

691
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:03,180
me let me just ask you this before we

692
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:05,670
move on from Jesus how do you know I

693
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:08,130
mean how do you define yeah how do you

694
00:34:12,890 --> 00:34:11,190
know it's Jesus I get that one all the

695
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,900
time like I tell people I could have

696
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:14,460
been blind and seen it was him because

697
00:34:24,340 --> 00:34:18,590
every cell and my body scream it's Jesus

698
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:24,350
it was that abrupt it was that just I

699
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,980
just in my face I I just um it's just it

700
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:30,540
was unbelievable it changed everything

701
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:32,970
for me and is the reason why I'm able to

702
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,010
do everything that I do in fact because

703
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:38,250
I surely didn't have the interest to go

704
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:40,470
forward and doing the things that I'm

705
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:42,270
doing now and talking on all these odd

706
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,360
topics but you know he promised me he'd

707
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:47,040
give me the words and I'm holding him to

708
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:48,630
it and I say that every time before I do

709
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:52,950
a radio show to be honest yet yeah yet

710
00:35:00,590 --> 00:34:56,240
most people would say that Jesus was

711
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:00,600
opposed to any of this type of phenomena

712
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,290
considered at the witchcraft I didn't

713
00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:06,720
know everybody lived during Jesus's

714
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:11,190
times I mean well I'm I'm just giving

715
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:14,340
you the I guess the fundamentalist well

716
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:16,260
not even just a fundamentalist so almost

717
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:19,380
any year organize a Christian religion I

718
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:20,700
mean they

719
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,790
come down on the the sight of any of

720
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:26,460
this phenomena being a demonic and they

721
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:28,950
would probably say I mean listen it took

722
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:31,820
years for the Catholic Church even to

723
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:35,280
recognize the vision at Fatima and most

724
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:37,970
of the other visions or miracles they've

725
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:41,760
claimed we're not visions I'm not

726
00:35:47,180 --> 00:35:43,950
Catholic so that is a whole different

727
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,190
realm of systemic things that I don't

728
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:49,980
understand I mean it's just too systemic

729
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:53,630
this abuse I'm like I am so not in that

730
00:35:59,660 --> 00:35:57,030
but you know even in the Bible what did

731
00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:59,670
the Jesus was walking on the water and

732
00:36:01,609 --> 00:36:00,900
what did they say we thought you were a

733
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,619
ghost

734
00:36:06,859 --> 00:36:03,780
so it was acknowledged in the Bible and

735
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,869
I'm not a bible thumper I hate it pop up

736
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:08,579
and have a whole heck of a lot to say to

737
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:12,510
me and I just you know all I could do is

738
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:14,790
be as painfully honest as I can and had

739
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:16,650
to eat my words and be as honest as I

740
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:19,230
could about my experiences with them and

741
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,670
I have to tell you guys out of I've

742
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,380
written I've got seven books published

743
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,410
and yeah Jesus book I put out on my own

744
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:27,780
because my my agent couldn't get it out

745
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:30,089
there and all this stuff and I put it

746
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:31,619
out there on my own it was number one in

747
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,260
its category for eight months on Amazon

748
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:36,119
what what is the title

749
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:39,990
Jesus is no joke because that's all I

750
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:42,510
could kept telling my friends because I

751
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:45,030
had a blast teasing my friends who went

752
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,250
to church and then to have the

753
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:49,500
experiences that I did I mean they knew

754
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:51,180
something happened to me that I had

755
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:53,250
changed my tune and was like all I kept

756
00:36:58,339 --> 00:36:55,650
saying is Jesus no joke he's for real I

757
00:37:00,079 --> 00:36:58,349
I just thought he was in a historical

758
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:00,089
figure that did his thing and he'd come

759
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,460
back someday but changed my whole tune

760
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:06,079
I'm not I'm not ashamed to say it

761
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:10,859
well okay Jesus has has arrived you're

762
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:15,030
coming here periodically how about you

763
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,550
UFOs I mean are they from the same realm

764
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:21,119
I mean we one of our authors is Reverend

765
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,420
Barry downing who's written a book UFOs

766
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:26,220
and biblical revelations that we just

767
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,099
recently published and he believes that

768
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:31,560
you know the angels were real physical

769
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:34,380
flesh blood beings that they could come

770
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:34,650
into

771
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:36,510
your house he could sit there and chat

772
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:38,270
with them and have dinner with them and

773
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:41,610
they might have piloted the UFOs and

774
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,120
they were responsible for parting the

775
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:48,000
Red Sea and and and so forth I mean is

776
00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:50,310
there a connection between UFOs and

777
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,080
these other beings I didn't see Jesus on

778
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:57,660
a ship I know there's people who believe

779
00:38:02,660 --> 00:37:59,790
in that type of thing all I could do is

780
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:02,670
speak to what I am familiar with but um

781
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:05,370
and I had several what may have been

782
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:07,800
near-death experiences and I didn't pop

783
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:09,840
up on a ship to see the angels there

784
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:12,780
either so I think there are beings who

785
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:16,500
work for God because some of the alien

786
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,330
beings that I personally had some

787
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,000
encounters with directly spoke of that

788
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:23,460
and they didn't look like any beings

789
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:25,530
that I've ever heard of or read about

790
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:29,400
anywhere so and I asked them well you

791
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:32,790
guys what angel sometimes I said we've

792
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:34,970
been called many things you know we

793
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,040
speak on behalf of the one true source

794
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:40,740
and the light source which is God and

795
00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:51,200
so okay so now as far as the UFOs go

796
00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:54,260
have you had encounters or sightings

797
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,840
myself yes oh yeah yeah

798
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:00,420
I wasn't abducted thank God no but um

799
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:03,020
yeah I've had some encounters with

800
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:06,750
several yeah ha Heidi tell us about I

801
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:08,370
know you had mentioned that they saw on

802
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:12,480
I think it was when we were on a Kevin

803
00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:15,050
Cooke show the light the last time the

804
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:18,150
when you went down into your dark house

805
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:22,310
and the broom had some visitors

806
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:25,620
I found out really yes I found that

807
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,970
story really interesting yeah I guess

808
00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:32,400
I've shared it on coast to coast I think

809
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:36,030
a couple of times to it I I lived alone

810
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,770
I woke up to sounds in my apartment and

811
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:41,940
my dad always told me you know girl

812
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,170
living on the first floor in our own

813
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,240
apartment it's not a good thing somebody

814
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:47,280
might break in I'm like huh I had my dad

815
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,240
beat

816
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:50,160
an apartment that had bars on the window

817
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:52,200
so hot nobody's gonna get in here well I

818
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:53,970
woke up to sounds of somebody haven't

819
00:39:58,460 --> 00:39:55,650
broken my apartment I'm like oh my god

820
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,470
my dad was right and I'm somebody's

821
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:00,839
ruffling through my stuff and it's loud

822
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:04,290
my door is open to my bedroom and I just

823
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,430
thought as soon as I put my feet down

824
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:06,720
who's ever in my living room is gonna

825
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,810
see me I just have to run like heck to

826
00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:11,640
the front door and get the heck out of

827
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:13,080
there cuz I couldn't get out of a window

828
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,170
and so I put my feet down and I just

829
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:17,700
started running through the living room

830
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:23,280
and I stopped Midway when I saw who had

831
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:26,369
come into my place and they were the

832
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:29,550
size of four-year-olds and I'm like what

833
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:33,150
you know I'm being invaded by kids and I

834
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:34,770
suddenly you know some of the fear

835
00:40:40,579 --> 00:40:37,050
leaves me and I and they have their back

836
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,589
to me I'm like what was this and what's

837
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:42,839
going on here I step in between the two

838
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:44,730
of them and their backs were towards me

839
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:47,820
going through a bookshelf of mine and

840
00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:49,890
had my stuff in their hands and I again

841
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:52,830
I was in this this panic mode of I

842
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:54,030
thought I was going to die and then I

843
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:55,980
see these little kids in there and and I

844
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:58,050
get between them and I say who are you

845
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,150
what are you doing here and they turned

846
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:02,940
and turned their heads towards me and

847
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:06,540
that's when I saw they were not kids and

848
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,470
they were these gray alien beings and I

849
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,140
remember and like I saw the big black

850
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:15,300
almond eyes and the slit for a mouth and

851
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:17,880
two slits for her nose and and the mouth

852
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,210
was in a circle like oh crap she's up I

853
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:23,640
think like and they just froze and

854
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:25,710
looked at me and I'm looking at them and

855
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:28,859
I knew what they were because I had just

856
00:41:33,859 --> 00:41:31,770
joined a UFO discussion group and

857
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:33,869
everybody in the group were abductees

858
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:36,750
but me I was only one that had seen UFOs

859
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:39,810
and was like wow this is neat I get to

860
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,099
listen to all these alien abduction

861
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:43,560
stories and then lo and behold I see

862
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:45,030
these little stinkers in there and I

863
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,650
grab my stuff out of their hands and I

864
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:48,480
put this down who are you what are you

865
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,310
doing here and I heard some noise behind

866
00:41:55,070 --> 00:41:52,950
me don't make a long story short there

867
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,080
was two more in my walk-in closet two

868
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,540
more in my kitchen and they're making

869
00:42:03,720 --> 00:41:59,440
all sorts of noise

870
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:03,730
and I I went into the bathroom we call

871
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,230
the exterminator or bud crazy but

872
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:10,240
there's two more in my bathroom and long

873
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:12,130
story short I picked one of them up and

874
00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:18,430
shook it I just that none of the rattle

875
00:42:24,359 --> 00:42:22,119
he was this one did not look like the

876
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:24,369
others I'm asking them ah who are you

877
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:25,630
what are you doing here who are you what

878
00:42:28,529 --> 00:42:26,770
he doing here we're going really fast

879
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:28,539
I'm like what's happening in my place

880
00:42:32,579 --> 00:42:31,089
and I opened up my bathroom door because

881
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:32,589
the light was on the door is closed I'm

882
00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:34,390
like well heck no who's in my bathroom

883
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:37,869
and I see when I open up the door one of

884
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:39,250
them I had accidentally knocked him to

885
00:42:44,849 --> 00:42:42,220
the floor and he was laying there with

886
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:44,859
his hands up in the air and he's the

887
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:47,530
only one who thought to answer me when

888
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:48,730
I'm asking who are you what are you

889
00:42:52,829 --> 00:42:50,950
doing here and there was one that was

890
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:52,839
grabbing reaching for something on the

891
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:55,690
back of my toilet and this one had on

892
00:43:00,839 --> 00:42:58,510
clothes the others did not and it was

893
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:00,849
like a tight bodysuit like almost with

894
00:43:06,539 --> 00:43:03,730
suspender like straps and I grabbed it

895
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:06,549
by its suspenders and I shook it with

896
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:08,380
every word and I said who are you and

897
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:11,470
what are you doing here and the one on

898
00:43:17,549 --> 00:43:14,380
the floor I heard him say I'm your

899
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:17,559
nephew I'm your nephew and I'm like I

900
00:43:24,569 --> 00:43:20,309
turned and I watched this thing

901
00:43:28,109 --> 00:43:24,579
shape-shift into my nephew with a big

902
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:28,119
afro and a baby blue suit and I'm like

903
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:30,010
you're not my nephew look like him when

904
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:31,960
it was ten you know he's 20-something

905
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:33,490
now he was almost the same age as myself

906
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:36,520
and I turned my attention back to the

907
00:43:41,849 --> 00:43:38,980
other women in my hands and I realized I

908
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:41,859
had scared this thing to death and this

909
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:44,380
one it sounds like it scared you to

910
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:46,990
death well it did but this one looked

911
00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:51,329
like a kid half US and half them and I

912
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:53,950
put it down and I said look and it was

913
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:56,049
shaking like it was short-circuiting or

914
00:43:59,099 --> 00:43:57,369
something I'm like look I'm sorry I

915
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:59,109
didn't mean to scare you you guys are

916
00:44:03,059 --> 00:44:00,520
all in my apartment nobody's answering

917
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,069
me this one's lying saying he's my

918
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,160
nephew and it just it was crazy

919
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:08,319
I later realized what they were looking

920
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:09,970
at and what I took out on their hands

921
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:11,569
the first two they had

922
00:44:16,299 --> 00:44:14,089
my little picture booklet and I had a

923
00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:16,309
picture of my nephew just like that one

924
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:19,069
that was shape-shifted on the floor like

925
00:44:22,749 --> 00:44:20,930
I I didn't even know that picture was in

926
00:44:25,479 --> 00:44:22,759
there it's just crazy

927
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:25,489
that's like right out of the twilight

928
00:44:30,219 --> 00:44:26,390
zone or something

929
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:30,229
I don't we years ago we did an interview

930
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:35,359
with dr. Carlock Turner deceased now and

931
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,150
she she talks about in fact in our books

932
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:41,839
and all she talks about how these

933
00:44:51,819 --> 00:44:46,400
entities are able to disguise themselves

934
00:44:56,349 --> 00:44:51,829
as members of our family and cohorts the

935
00:44:58,539 --> 00:44:56,359
even members of the certain groups that

936
00:45:00,160 --> 00:44:58,549
have a sexual intercourse with people

937
00:45:03,489 --> 00:45:00,170
that they think was their deceased

938
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:03,499
maiden and so very very very weird stuff

939
00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:06,680
but the the stories under hypnosis all

940
00:45:15,989 --> 00:45:11,329
seem quite quite similar but and if you

941
00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:15,999
take them at face value it really gets

942
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,759
frightening I mean to say the least

943
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:21,680
which leads me to the next question

944
00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:25,880
how do we protect ourselves uh well I

945
00:45:31,479 --> 00:45:27,769
say sprinkle a little Jesus on it

946
00:45:32,739 --> 00:45:31,489
honestly I'm very much about telling

947
00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:32,749
people how to bless their home

948
00:45:38,439 --> 00:45:36,469
themselves and these things why do they

949
00:45:39,999 --> 00:45:38,449
respond to that name of Jesus I think it

950
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:40,009
was one of the first researchers to put

951
00:45:45,549 --> 00:45:43,249
it out there to say you know say in the

952
00:45:48,849 --> 00:45:45,559
name of Jesus get out leave me alone and

953
00:45:50,650 --> 00:45:48,859
I've had probably hundreds and hundreds

954
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:50,660
of reports of like wow that worked Heidi

955
00:45:56,499 --> 00:45:53,150
and that works in the case of shadow

956
00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:56,509
people hatman so-called alien beings

957
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:00,440
it's like if they're up to anything good

958
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,190
that wouldn't work but it does work so

959
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:05,599
what does that say

960
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:09,140
and I've heard I can't remember which

961
00:46:14,829 --> 00:46:12,650
which author had said oh no that that

962
00:46:16,809 --> 00:46:14,839
doesn't work the alien abduction was

963
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:16,819
done that's why it seemed to have worked

964
00:46:21,789 --> 00:46:18,380
so when you said in Jesus name get out

965
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:21,799
they left but I'm like no it's worked

966
00:46:24,819 --> 00:46:24,019
for me for years to keep negative

967
00:46:26,709 --> 00:46:24,829
entities

968
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,719
and otherwise I surely wouldn't be able

969
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:27,920
to talk about this stuff

970
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:31,420
III think and ruffle who was one of the

971
00:46:37,479 --> 00:46:35,200
original original investigators for the

972
00:46:41,049 --> 00:46:37,489
National investigations committee an

973
00:46:44,589 --> 00:46:41,059
area phenomena and has written a couple

974
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:44,599
of books one about that well dr. James

975
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:47,089
McDonald and also she's written quite

976
00:46:52,749 --> 00:46:49,849
widely extensively about the Djinn I

977
00:46:59,319 --> 00:46:52,759
think she talks about how she raises the

978
00:47:02,559 --> 00:46:59,329
name of Jesus to wear ruffle and raffle

979
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:02,569
okay I didn't hear that's awesome I'm

980
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:06,380
glad yeah yeah yeah in fact you know Tim

981
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:07,849
I don't know if you realize this or not

982
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:11,450
but her Anna's getting up there you know

983
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,390
up there in years but her daughter has

984
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:17,599
started doing lectures and shows and

985
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:21,049
things so continuing the work anyway our

986
00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:23,390
our shadow our shadow people are coming

987
00:47:28,479 --> 00:47:26,660
to a block are watching top of the hour

988
00:47:32,410 --> 00:47:28,489
break coming up here so when we return

989
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:32,420
we'll have more with Heidi and Nicole on

990
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:48,430
explore the bazaars your e-ticket ride

991
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:50,890
into the world of the paranoid

992
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:54,170
strap yourself in as we traverse the

993
00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:58,480
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

994
00:48:03,370 --> 00:47:59,690
ghosts

995
00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:03,380
Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters as well

996
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:07,340
as other dimensions it's time to take

997
00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:11,570
back the night last night now your

998
00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:13,820
electrifying hosts of exploring the

999
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:24,010
all right welcome back to the second

1000
00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:26,030
hour of exploring the Bazaar and our

1001
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:28,940
host tonight tonight I know myself

1002
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:32,510
intimately our guest tonight Nicole

1003
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:35,420
Canfield and Heidi Hollis and we're

1004
00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:39,440
talking about shadow people the hat man

1005
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:41,540
pesky Halley and this is going through

1006
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:45,290
your stuff in your outs and all kinds of

1007
00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:48,170
fascinating things and Nicole I want to

1008
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:52,340
ask you now just do a little research on

1009
00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:56,270
you I mean you've got just articles this

1010
00:49:01,360 --> 00:48:57,740
article after article you're very

1011
00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:01,370
prolific writer especially especially

1012
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:04,940
when it comes to our favorite subjects

1013
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:08,960
now what what got you interested in this

1014
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:10,760
kind of stuff now you know I mean a lot

1015
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:11,990
of people would say oh well you know

1016
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:13,910
because I lived in Hana Gallants but I

1017
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:15,740
think with you is probably a little bit

1018
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:19,760
more than that it is I I never stopped

1019
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:23,150
having experiences since since I was you

1020
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:26,450
know a little girl so even moving away

1021
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:30,010
from there moving to Florida I had

1022
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:32,750
probably what I would consider my first

1023
00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:34,670
shadow being experience

1024
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:37,400
mhm mhm which had to do with sleep

1025
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:40,460
paralysis as well but I guess I was

1026
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:45,890
about 20 maybe 19 and I for whatever

1027
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:47,810
reason I just started feeling like there

1028
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:49,550
was always something following me or

1029
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:51,290
watching me and I didn't really have a

1030
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:54,920
reason to feel like that but it was in

1031
00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:56,690
that like hypnagogic state that you were

1032
00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:00,140
talking about earlier that I woke up and

1033
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:02,060
I was paralyzed in my sleep it was the

1034
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:03,620
first time I'd ever experienced sleep

1035
00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:07,970
paralysis and there was a shadow man or

1036
00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:11,780
being staring at me from my window in my

1037
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:15,740
room from outside looking in and I just

1038
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:19,760
remember him like just a figure of a man

1039
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:22,750
that there wasn't like eyes it wasn't

1040
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:25,460
there was no hat it was just a figure of

1041
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:27,980
a man a tall man stared like looking in

1042
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:34,160
at me and I think after that I had

1043
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:34,490
another

1044
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:37,369
sleep paralysis shadow being experienced

1045
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:39,470
probably like five years later after

1046
00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:42,350
that but I mean I've just had I just had

1047
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:44,540
experience after experience and they

1048
00:50:50,350 --> 00:50:47,930
don't really stop so I can't really turn

1049
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:50,360
them off like it's more peaceful in my

1050
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:53,270
house where I'm living now and I think

1051
00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:55,310
it's because on a certain level I can I

1052
00:51:00,100 --> 00:50:56,750
know how to spiritually cleanse and

1053
00:51:02,109 --> 00:51:00,110
protect my home so you know I can cancel

1054
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:02,119
a lot of it out but yeah my experience

1055
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:04,130
has never really stopped and so I just

1056
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:06,590
started writing about it and putting it

1057
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,330
out there and come to find out a lot of

1058
00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:10,400
people have the same experiences so it's

1059
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:16,100
pretty cool and we have a question and

1060
00:51:21,370 --> 00:51:18,950
this is for you know for both of you and

1061
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:21,380
you know yeah both who you can give your

1062
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:24,650
interpretation Jerry wants to know the

1063
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:27,950
hat man is it the same hat man or are

1064
00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:32,410
there many I've wondered that myself

1065
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:38,900
yeah okay for the most part I've only

1066
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:42,200
received a handful of people who say

1067
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:47,300
they've seen more than one I am NOT it's

1068
00:51:51,790 --> 00:51:48,740
like the verdict is still a bit out

1069
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:51,800
there because um my understanding is

1070
00:51:55,450 --> 00:51:53,630
this is the same guy pulling the same

1071
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:55,460
stuff everywhere but sometimes he's

1072
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:57,530
clean-shaven sometimes he's got a goatee

1073
00:52:02,349 --> 00:51:58,940
Chinese's clothes

1074
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:02,359
um but though this is the weird thing to

1075
00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:04,580
me I I really believe he's trying to put

1076
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:07,480
the message out there that he exists

1077
00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:10,760
because if he didn't want to be

1078
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:13,820
recognized and be known he'd hide but he

1079
00:52:18,990 --> 00:52:16,130
waits to you see him in the room and

1080
00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:19,000
then approaches he is purposefully

1081
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:21,830
waiting to be seen and recognized and

1082
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:23,570
wearing that distinctive hat or having

1083
00:52:28,930 --> 00:52:25,880
that distinctive presence so people are

1084
00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:28,940
connecting the dots to know he's on the

1085
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:32,990
prowl and so I think that you know if

1086
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:35,210
there was a ton of different ones I

1087
00:52:39,099 --> 00:52:37,250
surely would have had a lot more reports

1088
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:39,109
over the years but it's probably been

1089
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:41,930
just a handful maybe five over all these

1090
00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:44,090
years that people say they've seen more

1091
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:46,580
than one but I mean but and then there's

1092
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:47,900
that argument of well

1093
00:52:51,099 --> 00:52:49,609
how could that be you know that there's

1094
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:51,109
just the one I'm like well God could be

1095
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:53,089
everywhere and if this is the opposite

1096
00:52:59,980 --> 00:52:56,990
to to God it can he be in more places

1097
00:53:04,089 --> 00:52:59,990
than one I believe so because he will

1098
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:04,099
claim to be the devil it when he speaks

1099
00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:07,970
to some people but then again you know

1100
00:53:17,529 --> 00:53:12,520
you you go and look at say like old

1101
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:17,539
demonic mythology's where you know the

1102
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,650
the demons all will just you know jump

1103
00:53:26,140 --> 00:53:24,079
to claiming that they're the devil no

1104
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:26,150
I'm the devil no I was you know it says

1105
00:53:32,289 --> 00:53:29,720
that that seems to be a favorite motif

1106
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:32,299
to put the scare in people claiming to

1107
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:35,510
be the devil well he won't just say that

1108
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:38,420
the devil he says his name a scratch was

1109
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:40,190
just the Old Norse term you know old

1110
00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:43,970
scratch for the devil but he'll just say

1111
00:53:48,579 --> 00:53:46,940
you know oh that you know Jesus think he

1112
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:48,589
want he wants to the name Jesus he says

1113
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:50,089
their religion won't work on me and

1114
00:53:56,049 --> 00:53:52,609
things like that he tries to get you to

1115
00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:56,059
doubt things but well yeah the religion

1116
00:54:03,579 --> 00:53:57,619
wouldn't work on me either but I'm not

1117
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:03,589
the devil I don't know I suppose to me

1118
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:05,690
you know it these these beings

1119
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:09,529
they certainly have the ability to lie

1120
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:13,390
to us and mislead us sounds like

1121
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,410
politicians there now we're gonna

1122
00:54:22,089 --> 00:54:20,000
darndest to let people but you know I'll

1123
00:54:25,299 --> 00:54:22,099
tell you this for the longest time for

1124
00:54:27,339 --> 00:54:25,309
many years there was no name given no

1125
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:27,349
nothing given and for the most part he

1126
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:29,990
doesn't give a name but the presence

1127
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:32,930
speaks very loudly it's just like when I

1128
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,210
had that counter with Jesus he didn't

1129
00:54:41,529 --> 00:54:38,720
say hey I'm Jesus mice my cell and my

1130
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:41,539
soul recognized who was there before me

1131
00:54:44,799 --> 00:54:43,849
and people would ask me in these emails

1132
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:44,809
who is he

1133
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:46,490
he's the devil isn't he they would

1134
00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:48,770
answer their own question all the time

1135
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:51,470
all the time and it wasn't like the the

1136
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:54,170
name was given they just knew from that

1137
00:55:01,840 --> 00:54:59,599
presence they recognized him so are they

1138
00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:01,850
all would you say they're all under

1139
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:05,150
the jurisdiction or either the devil or

1140
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:08,180
of the let's just say the creator for

1141
00:55:13,450 --> 00:55:12,230
short there are they all under the

1142
00:55:15,790 --> 00:55:13,460
jurisdiction what do you mean it's

1143
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:15,800
diction in other words are they are are

1144
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:20,030
all these entities that that we see in

1145
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:21,980
contact I mean they're all part of some

1146
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:25,750
either negative or a positive force I

1147
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:28,790
mean they can't be independent operators

1148
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:31,130
oh well a band of thieves never got

1149
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:34,120
along really well I think that they do

1150
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:37,850
essentially have a common goal though

1151
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:40,430
they may not always be very perfect in

1152
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:41,870
the way that they go about doing things

1153
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:44,870
but for the most part yeah there's on

1154
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:46,130
one side of the fence and then the other

1155
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:50,450
but I'll let let miss Cantrell here take

1156
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,060
the question - I would say there's

1157
00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:58,720
definitely spirits that are of a more

1158
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:01,940
darker or evil nature and there's

1159
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:03,670
definitely spirits that are more of a

1160
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:07,400
protective angelic type as well but I do

1161
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:09,710
believe that there are some neutral

1162
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:12,440
spirits and those would be the spirits

1163
00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:17,480
of the land for me elementals they in my

1164
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:19,100
opinion they kind of they have their own

1165
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:21,860
set of rules and they don't really they

1166
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:27,290
don't follow our concept of evil and

1167
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:30,040
good they more or less have you know

1168
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:33,400
their goals of protecting the land or

1169
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:36,020
helping things grow or whatever it has

1170
00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:38,500
to do with nature and and they don't

1171
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:41,360
they can be very mischievous towards

1172
00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:45,890
human beings but but they can also be

1173
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:48,740
very helpful so yeah I think they're

1174
00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:49,970
kind of neutral there's somewhere in

1175
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:52,190
between I don't see them as either/or if

1176
00:56:59,740 --> 00:56:55,510
that makes sense so you're talking about

1177
00:57:05,500 --> 00:56:59,750
gnomes and fairies and absolutely

1178
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:05,510
trolls yeah but that's that's just the

1179
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:08,140
names that we've given them right I

1180
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:10,370
don't know if you've ever I don't know

1181
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:12,020
if there's ever been cases yeah I mean

1182
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:13,310
there may have been well you know we're

1183
00:57:15,579 --> 00:57:14,840
you know the fairies would be like hi

1184
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:15,589
we're fairy

1185
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:24,380
no they don't call themselves that's a

1186
00:57:34,749 --> 00:57:30,920
water elemental sprites yeah yeah

1187
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:34,759
sprites and well we I remember we had a

1188
00:57:41,650 --> 00:57:37,609
fellow now deceased uh buy him a bill

1189
00:57:45,729 --> 00:57:41,660
Cox he wrote a book first the pyramid

1190
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:45,739
speak and he he was probably as far as I

1191
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:45,950
know

1192
00:57:53,019 --> 00:57:50,420
well him is a wife or probably the the

1193
00:57:56,229 --> 00:57:53,029
leading authorities on that kind of you

1194
00:57:57,459 --> 00:57:56,239
know phenomena and they had they had not

1195
00:58:01,029 --> 00:57:57,469
only photographs but a lot of

1196
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:01,039
testimonials from people and the spirits

1197
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:04,130
of the trees and of course the Green Man

1198
00:58:11,259 --> 00:58:09,200
oh I'm so glad you brought that up my

1199
00:58:12,609 --> 00:58:11,269
knowledge is extensive well what what

1200
00:58:15,479 --> 00:58:12,619
did she tell us about the Green Man

1201
00:58:19,259 --> 00:58:15,489
because that is that primarily British

1202
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:19,269
no no the Green Man I think is worldwide

1203
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:23,690
he is definitely the I don't I don't

1204
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,609
know if I would say omnipresent but he

1205
00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:27,680
is the spirit of the woods and like the

1206
00:58:32,849 --> 00:58:30,380
main protector of the woods so my mom

1207
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:32,859
has actually recently had some

1208
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:35,900
experience along with me we took a trip

1209
00:58:40,959 --> 00:58:38,809
and she was taking pictures of the woods

1210
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:40,969
my mom's a paranormal investigator too

1211
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:44,329
so she was taking pictures of the woods

1212
00:58:49,269 --> 00:58:46,190
where we were at in the mountains and

1213
00:58:53,229 --> 00:58:49,279
there was some definites green man faces

1214
00:58:56,259 --> 00:58:53,239
popping up there very evident it's

1215
00:58:59,229 --> 00:58:56,269
pretty wild so I think I see him as

1216
00:59:01,690 --> 00:58:59,239
being kind of like an omnipresent being

1217
00:59:05,859 --> 00:59:01,700
but it's just the overall protector of

1218
00:59:08,979 --> 00:59:05,869
the forest and if you if you traipse on

1219
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,989
some territory that maybe he feels like

1220
00:59:12,609 --> 00:59:10,640
you're getting too comfortable or you're

1221
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:12,619
you're going somewhere sacred to him

1222
00:59:21,759 --> 00:59:15,950
then it's possible that he will try to

1223
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:21,769
scare you away so well could you give us

1224
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:25,119
a at this description of the Green Man

1225
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:27,450
yeah Green

1226
00:59:36,289 --> 00:59:33,420
yeah Tom tall I mean well he can pop up

1227
00:59:39,579 --> 00:59:36,299
as a smaller being too but usually the

1228
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:39,589
Green Man is depicted or seen as a tall

1229
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:42,930
man that is covered in foliage of some

1230
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:46,890
kind be it oak leaves or holly leaves or

1231
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,569
just leaves of the forest wherever

1232
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:50,339
wherever you're at wherever you see him

1233
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:54,059
and that that he actually dates back I

1234
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,670
mean probably thousands of years some of

1235
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,980
the older churches in Europe actually

1236
01:00:03,769 --> 01:00:01,980
have motifs and parties on a church I

1237
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,779
was just gonna I was just gonna mention

1238
01:00:07,779 --> 01:00:05,819
that and of course some people's door

1239
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:07,789
knockers mm-hmm

1240
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:12,960
are often of the the green man

1241
01:00:18,859 --> 01:00:15,599
i it's I'm wondering if there's a

1242
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:18,869
connection you know we have the green

1243
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:22,410
man of the woods but we also have the

1244
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,990
green men of the UFO phenomena which

1245
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:26,940
actually you might kind of like it

1246
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:29,430
forgiveth that's trying to be facetious

1247
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:32,849
or funny but you know where the the the

1248
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:35,490
term green man actually came from as far

1249
01:00:42,259 --> 01:00:39,660
as UFOs go it had nothing to do whether

1250
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:42,269
you a UFO sighting there was a fella by

1251
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:44,910
the name of Harold Sherman it was

1252
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:46,859
probably one of the top of the psychics

1253
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:50,700
in the United States he he wrote it was

1254
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,450
very popular he had his own radio show

1255
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,160
kind of it like a positive thinking

1256
01:01:00,799 --> 01:00:58,319
norman vincent peale but included

1257
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:00,809
elements of the metaphysics and all in

1258
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:03,690
it and he wrote a book well actually it

1259
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:06,599
was a novel let for amazing stories back

1260
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,170
in the 1940s called the Green Man and

1261
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:12,839
the story the story was so popular that

1262
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:16,950
he actually wrote a second novel it

1263
01:01:21,499 --> 01:01:18,930
called the return of the Green Man and

1264
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,509
when we say novel that I don't know as

1265
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,819
well there are no more magazines really

1266
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:25,440
so you can't even justify what you're

1267
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,569
talking about but in those days the pulp

1268
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:30,000
magazines would have maybe about five or

1269
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:31,470
six stories him and then they would have

1270
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:33,900
one that took up after magazines yeah

1271
01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:38,730
yeah and which was your novel let but

1272
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:41,220
you know we had copies of that

1273
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,480
for a while I I knew his daughter and he

1274
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:47,940
he was well aware of all the you know

1275
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:51,119
the metaphysical and occult aspects of

1276
01:01:55,550 --> 01:01:54,210
that but a little green little green men

1277
01:01:57,500 --> 01:01:55,560
I don't know how they weren't

1278
01:02:00,560 --> 01:01:57,510
necessarily little didn't really start

1279
01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:00,570
with the UFO phenomena because I don't

1280
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:03,270
think it's him how many UFO occupants

1281
01:02:12,290 --> 01:02:06,359
ever been Green oh yeah there's there's

1282
01:02:16,099 --> 01:02:12,300
been some that's been recorded yeah well

1283
01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:16,109
and there were some South American cases

1284
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:20,340
especially in the 1960s and then there

1285
01:02:28,339 --> 01:02:23,130
was a few in the French UFO flap of the

1286
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:28,349
the early 1950s but but yeah I mean you

1287
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,910
know not not not a bunch well they have

1288
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:38,400
cleverly but of course some of them now

1289
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:40,950
to their uniforms have been different

1290
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,710
you know of color so uniforms that may

1291
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:46,020
not be their outfit spacesuits then

1292
01:02:50,570 --> 01:02:48,599
that's the word I'm trying to come up

1293
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:50,580
with but some of them of course don't

1294
01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:53,220
even wear spacesuits but some of them do

1295
01:03:05,770 --> 01:02:57,510
why did color okay are either one of our

1296
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,780
guests tonight into leprechauns at all I

1297
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,640
didn't have a do any any leprechaun

1298
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:12,000
stories I've got one of something I saw

1299
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:14,970
not a leprechaun but I guess it was a

1300
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:20,550
gnome okay uh okay this is this is

1301
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:22,710
bizarre I lived in I shared this

1302
01:03:27,859 --> 01:03:25,130
apartment with a college roommate that I

1303
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:27,869
based my book the secret war off from

1304
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:30,300
and we just had so much stuff going on

1305
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:35,400
in this one night I woke up because I

1306
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:40,170
heard and like lip smacking like you

1307
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:43,020
know just like and and then I felt like

1308
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:46,710
a light pressure on my bed and I open my

1309
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:50,460
eyes and I see this thing that kind of

1310
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:54,090
looked like Gollum it

1311
01:04:01,610 --> 01:03:57,090
was gray in color but it was like an old

1312
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:01,620
tiny little man just like looking over

1313
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:04,050
me gumming his mouth like it had no

1314
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:06,270
teeth in his head and just looking at me

1315
01:04:12,260 --> 01:04:09,870
it's just like I don't know like just

1316
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:12,270
just having it and I'm sinking into the

1317
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:16,440
bed like Oh what is that and he's really

1318
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,840
kind of close looking at me like I don't

1319
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:20,880
know like I was something from

1320
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:22,830
Gulliver's Travels I don't know it was

1321
01:04:28,220 --> 01:04:25,500
so bizarre and then he just he just kind

1322
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:28,230
of slowly looked at me and backed up and

1323
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:31,170
walked out of the room and I sit up and

1324
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:33,690
I'm watching him and I'm like that's a

1325
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:36,810
little gray man that is a little gray

1326
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,240
man and then I want to say it was

1327
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:41,520
several days later my college roommate

1328
01:04:50,090 --> 01:04:47,040
Jesus she saw him - like what was that

1329
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,100
unknown I don't know but he he looked

1330
01:04:57,380 --> 01:04:52,440
like a regular guy but really tiny and

1331
01:05:01,640 --> 01:04:57,390
gray skin so there you have it he live

1332
01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:01,650
in an old house this apartment was

1333
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:05,820
actually above what used to be it was in

1334
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:07,380
a old Polish neighborhood or something

1335
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:08,610
like that and there they used to have a

1336
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:11,640
butcher downstairs he would sell out of

1337
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:15,960
the lower front of this building hmm so

1338
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:19,260
yeah so I don't know weird I started

1339
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:22,310
saying you should do some research into

1340
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:27,330
some of the Polish mythology well yeah

1341
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:30,660
of elementals especially ones that may

1342
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:33,150
be associated with you know butcher

1343
01:05:37,550 --> 01:05:34,920
shops or you know slaughter you know

1344
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:37,560
abattoir house things like that wow

1345
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:40,650
that's wild I just I'd never seen him

1346
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:42,090
before never seen him since I've never

1347
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:44,670
seen anything like it when he said that

1348
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:46,290
I was thinking actually of the Scottish

1349
01:05:52,310 --> 01:05:48,810
brownie or there's a finnish version

1350
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:52,320
called the Tantra which are little

1351
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:54,570
little beings that are basically

1352
01:06:00,560 --> 01:05:58,740
attached to families or older homes so

1353
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:00,570
yeah that's pretty interesting

1354
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:05,520
that's so weird I don't even know how to

1355
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:07,980
categorize what

1356
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:10,710
things that I have noticed about a lot

1357
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:14,490
of these types of experiences and you

1358
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:17,220
know and I've had a number of people you

1359
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:20,760
know personally give me these details is

1360
01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:25,890
that a lot of times when somebody will

1361
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,270
see something like you know take you

1362
01:06:35,470 --> 01:06:30,180
know you Heidi for example you know your

1363
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:35,480
your your story when they see you know

1364
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:38,970
definitely an unusual being or creature

1365
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:42,090
a lot of times the creature will then

1366
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:45,150
notice that they're being seen and will

1367
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:51,359
look surprised like but I've had a lot

1368
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,650
of people will tell me that you know

1369
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:54,000
Lambie they'll be you know like walking

1370
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:56,220
down the street or something and you

1371
01:07:01,099 --> 01:06:58,050
know something will walk past them

1372
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:01,109
obviously very bizarre and that will be

1373
01:07:05,810 --> 01:07:03,330
shocked or will look shocked you know

1374
01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:05,820
that that they're being seen and it just

1375
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:07,950
makes you wonder that you know if these

1376
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:10,980
things aren't with us all the time and

1377
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:14,220
that's you know some people just you

1378
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:17,850
know kinda you'll have that ability to

1379
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:19,980
occasional see these things or if you're

1380
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,090
just in the right place in the right

1381
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:24,000
time you know be able to see these

1382
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,609
things because at one time I was in a

1383
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:32,160
crowd of people gosh I don't know

1384
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,480
probably 3040 people and there was a

1385
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:38,160
diamond-like like if to pyramid bottoms

1386
01:07:43,820 --> 01:07:40,440
flat sides were put together a diamond

1387
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:43,830
UFO tumbled through the sky for like 20

1388
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:44,490
minutes

1389
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:48,090
I saw purple and a handful of people saw

1390
01:07:55,099 --> 01:07:52,369
a rich royal blue I'm like so is it our

1391
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:55,109
perception I don't know but it was

1392
01:07:58,099 --> 01:07:57,300
pretty interesting to me how we saw

1393
01:08:01,070 --> 01:07:58,109
different things

1394
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:01,080
hmmm well what about you Nicole what do

1395
01:08:11,570 --> 01:08:09,000
you think well I I think as far as these

1396
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,580
experiences go I think sometimes there

1397
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:13,859
are certain beings that are attracted to

1398
01:08:20,599 --> 01:08:16,920
certain people because they are more

1399
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:20,609
sensitive than others but you know I

1400
01:08:24,890 --> 01:08:22,170
don't know like in the case of

1401
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:24,900
ghost though I think it can vary I

1402
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:26,850
really don't know much about aliens to

1403
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:28,199
be fully honest with you I definitely

1404
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:30,330
believe in the probability I'm sure they

1405
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:32,670
happen but I've just never had

1406
01:08:37,519 --> 01:08:35,699
experience with that but definitely if

1407
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:37,529
you're more sensitive to these things I

1408
01:08:43,099 --> 01:08:39,449
feel like they have a fine way of kind

1409
01:08:48,860 --> 01:08:43,109
of finding you of course not you know

1410
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:48,870
what we say aliens on this show and you

1411
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:50,489
know typically add myself I mean we both

1412
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,410
agree that I mean we're just using a

1413
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:54,420
term for really a lack of a better term

1414
01:08:58,459 --> 01:08:56,730
because you know there's no proof one

1415
01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:58,469
way or the other that you know you're

1416
01:09:01,640 --> 01:08:59,640
dealing with that you know like

1417
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:01,650
extraterrestrials or whatever I mean you

1418
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:03,060
know more likely you're probably dealing

1419
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:04,589
with something that wants you to think

1420
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:07,830
yeah that that they're extraterrestrials

1421
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:11,460
but outside of the space brothers I

1422
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:13,049
don't even know if they necessarily want

1423
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:15,480
us to think that they're from space they

1424
01:09:25,209 --> 01:09:23,400
don't sometimes they point up but you

1425
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:25,219
know I don't know if they necessarily

1426
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:28,049
want to sit maybe they can't define

1427
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,560
where they're from that could make it

1428
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,359
very well be I mean you know but I mean

1429
01:09:39,019 --> 01:09:36,239
there have been cases you know like I'll

1430
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:39,029
point to the sky from we're from the

1431
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:45,299
inside of the tall man's hat not a fun

1432
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:54,570
place but you know I think that a lot of

1433
01:09:59,660 --> 01:09:56,310
these cases that you know that that we

1434
01:10:01,820 --> 01:09:59,670
talk about and we use the term alien you

1435
01:10:03,620 --> 01:10:01,830
know there's there's probably a good

1436
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,630
possibility that we're dealing with the

1437
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:06,480
same kind of phenomena as all the other

1438
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:09,530
stuff that we've just been talking about

1439
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:12,960
yeah yeah I mean you know some people

1440
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:18,570
will will call them tricksters and and

1441
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:20,190
yeah I mean some people have gone as far

1442
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:22,170
as the you know say that they're they're

1443
01:10:29,419 --> 01:10:27,900
hungry ghosts or or the the jinn you

1444
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:29,429
know that's that's been a popular and

1445
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:35,390
yeah well I mean

1446
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:38,130
you look at some of this you know the

1447
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:41,610
old stories about the gin I mean it's

1448
01:10:47,419 --> 01:10:44,460
very reminiscent of a lot of the stuff

1449
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:47,429
that is going on today and unfortunately

1450
01:10:54,110 --> 01:10:51,060
we are coming up to our bottom of the

1451
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:54,120
hour break so let's go ahead and go to

1452
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:56,190
that Tim and when we come back we will

1453
01:11:02,000 --> 01:10:59,130
finish up our conversation with Nicole

1454
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,010
Canfield and Heidi Hollis on exploring

1455
01:11:15,379 --> 01:11:05,040
the bizarre 62 Hannibal I'm going to

1456
01:11:22,109 --> 01:11:19,530
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1457
01:11:25,410 --> 01:11:22,119
two of the most electrifying researchers

1458
01:11:31,379 --> 01:11:25,420
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1459
01:11:34,649 --> 01:11:31,389
Lee panting Swift's and welcome back to

1460
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:34,659
the final segment of exploring bizarre

1461
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:37,330
Tim here it is the bottom of the hour

1462
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:39,610
just seems like the show gets started

1463
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:42,340
and we've got less than a half hour to

1464
01:11:46,919 --> 01:11:44,040
go where does the time go

1465
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:46,929
well you know we have to have an

1466
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:51,130
Einstein on some night they're asking we

1467
01:11:54,570 --> 01:11:52,449
have to get our Ouija board out to do

1468
01:11:57,899 --> 01:11:54,580
that I think well you know we haven't

1469
01:12:00,750 --> 01:11:57,909
had a seance on the air I wonder how

1470
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:00,760
that would go over I know on other shows

1471
01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:03,690
they're very frightened about using the

1472
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:07,900
the Ouija board but I had a I had a bit

1473
01:12:14,459 --> 01:12:12,280
of well I had an experience with a Ouija

1474
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:14,469
board I I discussed that I think on the

1475
01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:17,409
show we did a month or so ago about my

1476
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:20,380
late friend Vivian st. John the wrestler

1477
01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:22,900
otherwise known as a lady

1478
01:12:29,879 --> 01:12:26,699
Suzanne and Miller and we had a rather

1479
01:12:32,129 --> 01:12:29,889
interesting experience with a Ouija

1480
01:12:35,879 --> 01:12:32,139
board that told us some things that were

1481
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:35,889
darn right accurate you know and and

1482
01:12:39,419 --> 01:12:37,510
then of course I fooled around with the

1483
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:39,429
Ouija board not so much in recent years

1484
01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:43,420
because I get bored by it I kind of put

1485
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,060
that in the same category of as gambling

1486
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,920
unless you're getting a message a minute

1487
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:49,840
or or pulling the slot machine the

1488
01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:52,060
quarters are coming out after a while

1489
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,310
you just feel like you wanting and

1490
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:57,040
walking away from it and and that

1491
01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:58,239
happens a lot

1492
01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:01,170
anything that do with spirit you know

1493
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:03,400
manifestations let me look at these the

1494
01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:05,830
TV shows where they can't be real the

1495
01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:07,540
spirit is not going to show up every

1496
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:11,560
time you you know walk across the the

1497
01:13:17,339 --> 01:13:14,320
bottom deck of the Queen Elizabeth or

1498
01:13:19,649 --> 01:13:17,349
the what's a bit what's the big hotel

1499
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,659
there that they won't go to in Colorado

1500
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:21,760
The Shining yeah

1501
01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:27,310
I was thinking about the the Waverly you

1502
01:13:31,730 --> 01:13:29,320
know I mean a ghost er goes through her

1503
01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:31,740
plenty well I was in the Jerome Arizona

1504
01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:34,300
where there are more ghosts than there

1505
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:38,590
are actual humans living there I well my

1506
01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:41,560
friend that is Sharla who would listen

1507
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:44,440
to the show and assist me in taking

1508
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:46,390
photographs from time to time when we're

1509
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:48,820
on the road but they had an interest

1510
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:52,930
that interesting a haunted town because

1511
01:14:05,010 --> 01:13:58,560
most of the ghosts were of drunkards

1512
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:05,020
prospectors and prostitutes being in

1513
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,690
fact there's one brothel

1514
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,520
you know that's made up to it was

1515
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:11,440
originally a brothel under seven years

1516
01:14:18,740 --> 01:14:15,400
ago that the silver season has some

1517
01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:18,750
ghosts in it and they've recorded some

1518
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:22,120
EVP I'm not talking i guess real moaning

1519
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:33,630
ghosts and spirits and all that around

1520
01:14:40,670 --> 01:14:35,650
us but you know I wanted to ask Nicole

1521
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:40,680
we we just talked up briefly during the

1522
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:44,320
commercial break about ancestors and I

1523
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:46,210
wasn't sure exactly what that is and I

1524
01:14:51,390 --> 01:14:48,760
asked her probably a foolish question

1525
01:14:53,940 --> 01:14:51,400
was that akin to shamanism and she said

1526
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:53,950
well I'm not exactly so perhaps she

1527
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:57,760
would like to explain um so what I had

1528
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:01,080
said was my spiritual practice is very

1529
01:15:07,340 --> 01:15:04,570
centered around my ancestors so I I

1530
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:07,350
would say that shamanism is a worldwide

1531
01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:10,450
piece of different like ancient cultures

1532
01:15:14,970 --> 01:15:12,520
it still survives a day in different

1533
01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:14,980
forms and in different cultures and yes

1534
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:17,950
they could include ancestral worship or

1535
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:19,870
other their ancestors in the practice

1536
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:22,690
but I think shamanism in and of itself

1537
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:25,270
is something special

1538
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:27,970
shamans you know will travel to other

1539
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:30,730
realms and learn how to heal people

1540
01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:33,370
around them and bring messages from the

1541
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:35,719
other side but for me I don't

1542
01:15:41,649 --> 01:15:39,170
I don't really do any of this that I

1543
01:15:44,859 --> 01:15:41,659
know of I just I feel a deep connection

1544
01:15:46,589 --> 01:15:44,869
to my ancestors I feel like something

1545
01:15:48,669 --> 01:15:46,599
that's very tangible for me and my

1546
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:48,679
spirituality is the fact that my

1547
01:15:53,290 --> 01:15:51,260
ancestors live through me and so I feel

1548
01:15:56,739 --> 01:15:53,300
that it's very easy to reach out to them

1549
01:15:59,529 --> 01:15:56,749
and yeah I call on them to protect me as

1550
01:16:02,890 --> 01:15:59,539
far as my household to protect me from

1551
01:16:06,339 --> 01:16:02,900
any shadow beings or you know other

1552
01:16:13,689 --> 01:16:06,349
negative entities so well now isn't that

1553
01:16:15,339 --> 01:16:13,699
the basis of cannibalism well yes in

1554
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:15,349
some of the cultures they would they

1555
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:20,239
would they would eat the flesh of people

1556
01:16:25,109 --> 01:16:21,679
in their family and all after they were

1557
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:25,119
deceased because they sounds delicious

1558
01:16:28,660 --> 01:16:27,289
they thought that they would pick up on

1559
01:16:32,169 --> 01:16:28,670
the energy of that person and the

1560
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:32,179
knowledge and and things along that line

1561
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:36,110
well ancestral worship actually is I

1562
01:16:41,020 --> 01:16:38,690
mean it dates back hundreds of thousands

1563
01:16:44,919 --> 01:16:41,030
of years but in every ancient culture

1564
01:16:47,529 --> 01:16:44,929
there was some form of ancestor where

1565
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:47,539
where we honored our ancestors I don't I

1566
01:16:58,540 --> 01:16:51,070
don't know anything about cannibalism

1567
01:17:01,299 --> 01:16:58,550
that scares me a little bit well

1568
01:17:07,919 --> 01:17:01,309
actually Tim what is our next book

1569
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:07,929
called alien blood lust by Scott

1570
01:17:16,419 --> 01:17:12,710
Corrales who's been a longtime associate

1571
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:16,429
of ours now he's a travel that

1572
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,130
investigated the the chupacabra which

1573
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:21,440
are all familiar with but we've gathered

1574
01:17:26,649 --> 01:17:23,449
together a lot of other stories that

1575
01:17:30,850 --> 01:17:26,659
have to do with them also terrestrials

1576
01:17:34,770 --> 01:17:30,860
and and blood I mean there been cases in

1577
01:17:38,259 --> 01:17:34,780
South America that we wrote about in UFO

1578
01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:38,269
hostilities we're up to three or four

1579
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:40,760
hundred people in an entire village they

1580
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,369
had the blood drained or sucked from

1581
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:45,440
them I mean that not to the point of

1582
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:48,860
being you know well I think a couple of

1583
01:17:52,230 --> 01:17:49,450
them did

1584
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:52,240
died mysteriously but some of them had

1585
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:53,770
bite marks on their neck and on

1586
01:18:00,090 --> 01:17:56,110
different parts of their their body and

1587
01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:00,100
the the objects were described as a

1588
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:02,830
cylinder shaped and they were coming

1589
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:05,770
down over this a coastal town not too

1590
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:10,540
far from the Amazon and in fact the

1591
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:13,030
Brazilian government was so intrigued by

1592
01:18:20,460 --> 01:18:17,730
this they actually set up a an

1593
01:18:24,510 --> 01:18:20,470
observation post I guess you would call

1594
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,520
it a knee or on the beach and I've seen

1595
01:18:29,130 --> 01:18:26,560
some of the photographs that they they

1596
01:18:32,370 --> 01:18:29,140
took over a period of I don't know maybe

1597
01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:32,380
six or eight months or a year a very

1598
01:18:39,390 --> 01:18:36,160
phenomenal phenomena in the the sky and

1599
01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:39,400
and then for some reason supposedly they

1600
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:44,230
closed down the there their project

1601
01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:45,700
there even though they were getting some

1602
01:18:50,850 --> 01:18:49,000
very startling startling a you know a

1603
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:50,860
proof that these things we were real but

1604
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:53,110
of course nobody really believes that

1605
01:18:58,980 --> 01:18:54,850
they close it down they just sort of

1606
01:19:03,840 --> 01:18:58,990
went underground but there you talk

1607
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:03,850
about a negative you know aspect of this

1608
01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:06,340
phenomena I mean it has it has happened

1609
01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:08,680
we think about just you know animal

1610
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:10,750
mutilations and maybe the chupacabra but

1611
01:19:17,670 --> 01:19:13,510
there there are all sorts of weird

1612
01:19:19,820 --> 01:19:17,680
things that are going on of course going

1613
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:19,830
back through history you also had the

1614
01:19:25,650 --> 01:19:23,320
succubus and the inked Incubus which

1615
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:25,660
would attack people in the in the dead

1616
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:30,490
of night and of course a lot of people

1617
01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:34,390
now say that they're having Night

1618
01:19:39,260 --> 01:19:36,700
Visitors and being abducted aboard UFOs

1619
01:19:43,410 --> 01:19:39,270
and undergoing some of the same

1620
01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:43,420
molestation and rituals that have been

1621
01:19:49,170 --> 01:19:45,870
reported as other phenomena throughout

1622
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,180
the history of the occult it's all very

1623
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:51,760
strange and all very bizarre only tim

1624
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:53,020
schwartz claims to have all the answers

1625
01:20:02,640 --> 01:19:59,040
to it oh yeah that's right well and that

1626
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:02,650
that kind of brings me around though too

1627
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:06,400
to a question to both of our guests that

1628
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:08,530
we were talking about like ghosts and

1629
01:20:14,939 --> 01:20:11,860
hauntings and things like that so when

1630
01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:14,949
it comes to the shadow people and you

1631
01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:16,420
know the hat man what's the difference

1632
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:18,760
between say like a ghost and these

1633
01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:23,890
entities the the difference between a

1634
01:20:27,380 --> 01:20:25,540
ghost and these are it's just so a world

1635
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:27,390
of difference I remember in the

1636
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:30,040
beginning when I was first putting word

1637
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,890
out there it was a lot of pooh-poohing

1638
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,199
by ghost hunters oh those are just the

1639
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,600
shadows of ghosts you're experiencing

1640
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:39,760
you know I'm like well wait to see one

1641
01:20:44,459 --> 01:20:42,010
because I have a good feeling you're

1642
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:44,469
gonna see one and luckily a lot of those

1643
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:46,390
ghost hunters got back to me after they

1644
01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:48,190
did experience them and they're like wow

1645
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:51,580
what a difference very threatening very

1646
01:21:00,090 --> 01:20:54,880
intimidating their presence is very much

1647
01:21:01,890 --> 01:21:00,100
about just sucking you dry and and one

1648
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:01,900
of their favorite pastime things to do

1649
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:04,449
is to get on your chest and choke you

1650
01:21:11,370 --> 01:21:08,860
and just make you be so fearful now the

1651
01:21:15,390 --> 01:21:11,380
one thing that that I find really

1652
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,400
interesting like shadow beings are wispy

1653
01:21:19,649 --> 01:21:17,679
they run away generally but if you spot

1654
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:19,659
them and they spot you spotting them

1655
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:23,710
they usually will charge you down it's

1656
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:26,020
it's it's it's intimidating game that

1657
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:29,260
they play in there they're really trying

1658
01:21:36,140 --> 01:21:32,050
not to be seen hat man he'll wait til

1659
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:36,150
you wake up hey how you doing it's like

1660
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:39,070
he's a different sort he wants to be

1661
01:21:46,890 --> 01:21:41,530
recognized he wants you to give him

1662
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:46,900
respectful fear ghosts they're nosy and

1663
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:49,330
they play games they do silly things I

1664
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:52,239
mean yeah they may be not the nicest

1665
01:21:56,189 --> 01:21:54,310
person you know and when they were alive

1666
01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:56,199
so they may smack you they may play

1667
01:22:02,490 --> 01:22:00,280
tricks on you but I believe behind every

1668
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:02,500
haunting there is a shadow being believe

1669
01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:09,130
it or not Nicole what about you yeah

1670
01:22:13,709 --> 01:22:11,020
there's definitely a difference and from

1671
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:13,719
my experience with shadow beings versus

1672
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:15,690
ghosts ghost

1673
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:17,550
sir well for me they've always been a

1674
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:21,810
little more subtle you can still feel

1675
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:25,850
their presence and they can be scary but

1676
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:28,290
my experience of shadow beings was

1677
01:22:34,490 --> 01:22:32,760
always just sheer terror and waking up

1678
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:34,500
the next day and just being in complete

1679
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:38,280
disbelief and just hoping that I didn't

1680
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:39,960
have the experience again you know

1681
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:41,750
because it was just that frightening so

1682
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:45,930
yeah they have this this energy of

1683
01:22:51,230 --> 01:22:48,690
domination they just want to scare you

1684
01:22:56,690 --> 01:22:51,240
and I definitely believe they feed off

1685
01:22:59,660 --> 01:22:56,700
of that energy no do you think that

1686
01:23:04,000 --> 01:22:59,670
there is a difference now our friend

1687
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:04,010
Paul you know he has investigated

1688
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:06,090
poltergeist cases there was one in

1689
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:08,880
particular that he investigated where he

1690
01:23:18,140 --> 01:23:12,960
actually the whatever these beans were

1691
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:18,150
they started to attack a teenage girl

1692
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,730
who was the focus of their intent in the

1693
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:22,560
house and he stood in between him and

1694
01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:26,370
actually grabbed one and he said that it

1695
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:30,900
felt like the bones were almost like how

1696
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:32,310
do you put it in I think he said wasn't

1697
01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:35,550
like like bird bones almost but that but

1698
01:23:42,170 --> 01:23:39,060
that this was an actual at least

1699
01:23:44,180 --> 01:23:42,180
temporarily physical thing but he was

1700
01:23:48,610 --> 01:23:44,190
under the impression that these things

1701
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:48,620
were parasites that they were out to

1702
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:52,260
create a charged atmosphere fear and

1703
01:23:57,890 --> 01:23:54,840
then that that they they would feed off

1704
01:24:00,170 --> 01:23:57,900
of it but they weren't ghosts in the

1705
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:00,180
traditional sense then they were you

1706
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:01,650
know like somebody's you know grandpa

1707
01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:03,930
Floyd who had passed away there's now

1708
01:24:08,050 --> 01:24:05,340
coming back and you know haunted the

1709
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:08,060
place for whatever reason different

1710
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:11,910
mm-hmm well I mean so do you think do

1711
01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:13,380
you think the shadow people will fall

1712
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,630
into that category or the Hat Manor you

1713
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:17,040
know whatever that is that these are

1714
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:18,480
parasites

1715
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:22,140
that somehow you know are able to you

1716
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:24,330
know get their jollies or you know get

1717
01:24:30,460 --> 01:24:26,970
their I mean we we are there

1718
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:30,470
their food their source of energy mm-hmm

1719
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:34,310
yeah I would believe that round

1720
01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:37,850
definitely suck off the energy of us

1721
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:42,630
feeding thriving converting possessing

1722
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:44,910
that's a raping biting scratching

1723
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:48,360
kicking there they're horrible anything

1724
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:50,370
and everything you can imagine for them

1725
01:24:56,780 --> 01:24:53,100
to do to a person they have done at some

1726
01:24:58,820 --> 01:24:56,790
it's brutal stuff and you know sometimes

1727
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,830
people are fortunate to just experience

1728
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,960
it once but if it's something that has

1729
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:03,600
really got its focus on you I've had

1730
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:06,380
people write me who have had 40 years of

1731
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:10,080
infiltration oh yeah well we had a case

1732
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:13,380
that we wrote up in the UFO hostilities

1733
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:17,280
book about a young woman who lives in

1734
01:25:23,260 --> 01:25:20,610
the Philippines and as she reported that

1735
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:23,270
she was being bitten and scratched and

1736
01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:25,770
of course the authorities thought she

1737
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:27,300
was just either making it up or

1738
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:30,960
scratching her you know herself you know

1739
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,940
when nobody was looking but they they

1740
01:25:37,730 --> 01:25:35,040
actually witnessed that you know with

1741
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:37,740
their own eyes and they even put her in

1742
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:40,500
a locked cell thinking that somehow this

1743
01:25:50,540 --> 01:25:45,270
would ward off the demonic forces and

1744
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:50,550
she still was a attacked by them in fact

1745
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:53,730
him didn't we have a lady on who was

1746
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,250
raised in the Philippines or born in

1747
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:58,320
Philippines who had an incident where

1748
01:26:03,380 --> 01:26:00,600
her father might actually have committed

1749
01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:03,390
suicide after seeing some creature that

1750
01:26:08,770 --> 01:26:05,550
was trying to get into the house it was

1751
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:08,780
kind of almost like I'm along a Mothman

1752
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:12,810
yeah type of creature that would hover

1753
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:17,910
outside of his window his office window

1754
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:20,070
well yeah his officers at his house but

1755
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:22,650
yeah yeah the second floor was the

1756
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:24,750
second floor right all right well she

1757
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:28,080
she found out later though that you know

1758
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:29,730
because his he was you know he was a

1759
01:26:35,420 --> 01:26:32,970
doctor and that his his facility in the

1760
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:35,430
lower part of the house that he had a

1761
01:26:40,590 --> 01:26:39,600
lot of human remains baby you know

1762
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:40,600
fetuses in

1763
01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:43,090
and things like that which you know in

1764
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:44,940
their culture that's that's pretty taboo

1765
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:47,950
well you know Tim I was just thinking we

1766
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:50,860
have a Halloween coming up shortly

1767
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:54,400
perhaps we should get her to come on one

1768
01:26:58,350 --> 01:26:55,810
of the segments and tell that story

1769
01:27:00,180 --> 01:26:58,360
again because it's certainly one of the

1770
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:00,190
more frightening words that we have

1771
01:27:07,410 --> 01:27:04,110
heard you know you know first person the

1772
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:07,420
experience yeah that was it was there

1773
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:10,060
was a good story and you know

1774
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:13,110
frightening and sad at the same time I

1775
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:16,260
in fact the her father I believe

1776
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:21,010
committed suicide possible I can't

1777
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:28,480
remember I got an interesting phenomena

1778
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:30,310
that I've had several people write me

1779
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:33,610
who have attempted suicide and you know

1780
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:35,710
they wake up in the hospital and they're

1781
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:38,890
strapped down to the bed and have the

1782
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:40,870
hat man be the first one to greet him

1783
01:27:46,710 --> 01:27:45,130
and one one person said he got within an

1784
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:46,720
inch of his face and brought his

1785
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:50,050
claw-like hand up in a showing like an

1786
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:52,090
inch and he said I was this close to

1787
01:28:06,530 --> 01:27:57,310
having you and then he disappeared yeah

1788
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:10,320
guess it's uh I don't know that's why we

1789
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:12,610
go into the medical field as paranormal

1790
01:28:18,630 --> 01:28:16,270
folks apparently you know I would think

1791
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:18,640
that having an experience like that okay

1792
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:20,710
try to hit suicide you know you wake up

1793
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:23,590
and there's the hat man yes I would

1794
01:28:27,630 --> 01:28:25,510
think that that would have just the

1795
01:28:29,460 --> 01:28:27,640
opposite effect that I I would stay that

1796
01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:29,470
on the very straight and narrow for the

1797
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:34,630
rest of my life yeah yeah I you know I I

1798
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,810
had a oh gosh I'm so bad with names but

1799
01:28:41,190 --> 01:28:39,520
I had a lady that was on my show once

1800
01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:41,200
and she writes books all a near-death

1801
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,940
experience and everything is love and

1802
01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:45,040
light and fluffy and here I deal with

1803
01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:46,660
demons I'm like okay yeah yeah

1804
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:48,340
near-death experience how about the

1805
01:28:52,710 --> 01:28:50,050
negative ones and she goes oh well

1806
01:28:53,730 --> 01:28:52,720
interesting enough these people they see

1807
01:28:56,490 --> 01:28:53,740
a man and

1808
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:56,500
in a suit then have the negative

1809
01:29:02,700 --> 01:28:59,050
experience as I said that's my boy boy

1810
01:29:05,940 --> 01:29:02,710
yeah let's talk about those three we

1811
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:05,950
have we have a couple III mean I don't

1812
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,660
know them personally but we have a

1813
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,800
couple well there's a haunted cemetery

1814
01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:13,380
rule it's the albany rural cemetery

1815
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:17,140
Albany New York where the men in black

1816
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:21,610
have been seen black cars demon dogs and

1817
01:29:31,710 --> 01:29:27,370
they even have a couple that fly over

1818
01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:31,720
the tombstones wearing their pajamas and

1819
01:29:38,670 --> 01:29:35,830
carrying lit candles now I don't know as

1820
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:38,680
if they're particularly demonic but we

1821
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:42,730
have we have a lady friend of ours who

1822
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:44,290
comes on the show from time to time in

1823
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:46,210
fact we should have her Halloween is

1824
01:29:53,190 --> 01:29:49,870
well the MIB lady we call her Claudia

1825
01:29:55,980 --> 01:29:53,200
Cunningham and she's got some great

1826
01:30:00,240 --> 01:29:55,990
stories about some very phenomenal

1827
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,250
ghosts in fact the State House Inn in

1828
01:30:03,810 --> 01:30:02,560
Albany you know where the governor no no

1829
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:03,820
if he lives there but the you know

1830
01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:05,470
resides or they had their meetings and

1831
01:30:10,350 --> 01:30:08,830
stuff like that it's haunted and I guess

1832
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,360
they've talked about it it's been on TV

1833
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:12,400
and stuff like that so you know in the

1834
01:30:17,220 --> 01:30:15,010
old days if you had a haunting you you

1835
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:17,230
didn't want anybody discuss it because

1836
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:20,800
you thought it would you know ruin your

1837
01:30:24,990 --> 01:30:23,290
business and and now people realize well

1838
01:30:29,790 --> 01:30:25,000
there might be a crowd outside if you

1839
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:29,800
got a good enough warning I I suppose

1840
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:36,610
but okay so this is where what is it I

1841
01:30:40,590 --> 01:30:38,470
mean is there any are there any new

1842
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:40,600
phenomena that's developing out there I

1843
01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:43,480
mean what's the what's the latest craze

1844
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:45,820
would you say Heidi is there anything

1845
01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:52,510
you see well the behavior of the Hat man

1846
01:30:57,180 --> 01:30:54,460
I guess you could say he is um

1847
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,190
he's he's really he's taken a lot of

1848
01:31:02,820 --> 01:30:58,960
people out of their bodies a lot of

1849
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,830
astral projecting going on and trying to

1850
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:04,960
drag these people away and they're

1851
01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:06,300
fighting

1852
01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:09,719
gotten a lot of those lately

1853
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:12,710
so behavior is changing that's for sure

1854
01:31:18,649 --> 01:31:15,449
fist-fighting I mean if you hit the hat

1855
01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:18,659
man that does it do you feel him or does

1856
01:31:27,950 --> 01:31:20,940
it does it sound you know like I feel

1857
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and you know I'll tell you okay so like

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01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:30,300
I have not had to confront that man

1859
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:33,239
physically myself but literally probably

1860
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:36,420
a month ago or so I I'm having a regular

1861
01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:39,300
dream and he appeared in between the

1862
01:31:44,660 --> 01:31:40,860
conversation I was having with somebody

1863
01:31:47,899 --> 01:31:44,670
and I grabbed him from the top of his

1864
01:31:50,660 --> 01:31:47,909
head on the Hat and I was like wow he is

1865
01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:50,670
solid black and I could feel the edge of

1866
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:53,369
this hat and I took the hat and I shoved

1867
01:31:58,220 --> 01:31:56,250
it down to his face and pushed him down

1868
01:32:00,859 --> 01:31:58,230
to the ground and said I don't like you

1869
01:32:01,819 --> 01:32:00,869
and I never will he's very solid it's

1870
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:01,829
very solid

1871
01:32:10,250 --> 01:32:07,130
yeah all right hey we're coming upon the

1872
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midnight hour and we're all going to

1873
01:32:13,879 --> 01:32:12,239
turn into we're all going to turn into

1874
01:32:16,459 --> 01:32:13,889
pumpkins or something to that effect so

1875
01:32:18,859 --> 01:32:16,469
I do want to go around the eye I do want

1876
01:32:23,140 --> 01:32:18,869
to go around the room one last time here

1877
01:32:27,979 --> 01:32:23,150
at the kco our radio studios and tell us

1878
01:32:30,919 --> 01:32:27,989
Heidi and where people can find you and

1879
01:32:33,379 --> 01:32:30,929
the same for you Nicole but I'm sorry I

1880
01:32:36,379 --> 01:32:33,389
would Heidi what your website your

1881
01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:36,389
podcast and all the best way to contact

1882
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:38,190
me is through my main website which is

1883
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:42,239
Heidi Hollis comm I am hosting three

1884
01:32:46,580 --> 01:32:44,670
radio shows now I just started a new one

1885
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:46,590
called outrageous show with myself and

1886
01:32:52,399 --> 01:32:49,500
Samantha Goldberg that's every Monday 8

1887
01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:52,409
a.m. to 10 a.m. Central Standard Time on

1888
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:56,070
LNM Radio Network comm I also have the

1889
01:33:03,140 --> 01:32:58,530
Outlanders show on there and then I'm on

1890
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:03,150
I heart radio on after hours a.m. so and

1891
01:33:08,689 --> 01:33:06,690
are you working any new books I have a

1892
01:33:11,419 --> 01:33:08,699
new book coming out called the other F

1893
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,429
word so the other F word calm on that

1894
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:12,960
thing called face that the other Tim

1895
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:14,290
doesn't like

1896
01:33:28,650 --> 01:33:26,220
unbated on comics and the other F word

1897
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:28,660
so yeah all right and they're called

1898
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:32,080
where do we find you again okay so you

1899
01:33:37,020 --> 01:33:33,850
can find me on my website otherworldly

1900
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:37,030
oracle.com you can also find me through

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01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:39,250
Facebook under author Nicole Canfield

1902
01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:40,570
and I have a group on Facebook

1903
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:43,750
otherworldly Oracle where we discuss the

1904
01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:45,310
paranormal and the spiritual and how

1905
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:46,660
that all melds together

1906
01:33:52,590 --> 01:33:50,800
I do have books I do you can find four

1907
01:33:54,230 --> 01:33:52,600
of my books on Amazon just look up

1908
01:33:57,420 --> 01:33:54,240
Nicole can't field and they'll pop up

1909
01:34:00,330 --> 01:33:57,430
all right well uh speaking of books

1910
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:00,340
don't forget to go to a conspiracy

1911
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:04,710
journal comm and subscribe we put out a

1912
01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:08,680
weekly newsletter and I'm that's on the

1913
01:34:13,890 --> 01:34:10,060
internet and I'm working on a printed

1914
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:13,900
copy of the conspiracy at a journal that

1915
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:17,350
we do a couple of times a year for those

1916
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:20,080
that are not on the internet or would

1917
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:23,440
like to feel paper in ink which is you

1918
01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:27,280
know a rarity these days and of course

1919
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:30,460
our YouTube channel is open for all to

1920
01:34:38,340 --> 01:34:34,420
view that which would be mr. UFO secret

1921
01:34:49,050 --> 01:34:38,350
files thanks to a Peter Bernard who is

1922
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:49,060
our YouTube architect yeah that's that

1923
01:34:55,860 --> 01:34:52,630
that's the word and and Tim what are you

1924
01:34:58,230 --> 01:34:55,870
up to these well right right now I've

1925
01:35:01,170 --> 01:34:58,240
been I've been promoting quite a bit our

1926
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:01,180
newest book the screwed by the aliens

1927
01:35:07,260 --> 01:35:03,550
that's even though that even though the

1928
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:07,270
title was pretty salacious people just

1929
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:08,650
love this subject I've been getting a

1930
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:10,630
lot of requests to come on and talk

1931
01:35:19,170 --> 01:35:15,060
about it well it does have a double

1932
01:35:23,090 --> 01:35:19,180
meaning but you have to buy the book to

1933
01:35:25,890 --> 01:35:23,100
see what it is and of course our blog

1934
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:25,900
you'll want to get to as well

1935
01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:27,760
or if you just go to

1936
01:35:32,340 --> 01:35:30,580
here we go what am i Amazon authors page

1937
01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:32,350
Timothy Beck we in the blocks were all

1938
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,320
there and thank you one and all for

1939
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:37,360
being here with us this evening in the

1940
01:35:41,490 --> 01:35:40,090
Tim I'll be talking to you before next

1941
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:41,500
week we've got some exciting shows

1942
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:46,060
coming up you've been listening to

1943
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:49,900
exploring the Bazaar with hosts Timothy

1944
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:51,970
Becky and T Swartz

1945
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:54,850
by Taking Back the Night by jetting

1946
01:35:59,820 --> 01:35:57,760
non-stop across the cosmos in search of

1947
01:36:03,440 --> 01:35:59,830
the truly bizarre and totally

1948
01:36:06,140 --> 01:36:03,450
unexplained with you as their coalmines

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01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:06,150
Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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01:36:11,839 --> 01:36:10,630
10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital

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01:36:14,419 --> 01:36:11,849
radio

1952
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:14,429
for more information on exploring the

1953
01:36:20,030 --> 01:36:17,369
bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley and

1954
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:20,040
Tim Swartz check out their kco our

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01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:23,219
digital radio network follow their

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YouTube channel @m our UFO 1100 explore